My 3-year-old loves watching the YouTube video at the top of Blink-182's Travis Barker with his marching snare drum. Yesterday, I found a funny video response to that clip in which a teenage band geek demonstrates that Barker's marching snare playing isn't particularly impressive. I like the mocking eyeroll/hand-motion he does several times in the video.
Travis Barker vs. teen band geek
My 3-year-old loves watching the YouTube video at the top of Blink-182's Travis Barker with his marching snare drum. Yesterday, I found a funny video response to that clip in which a teenage band geek demonstrates that Barker's marching snare playing isn't particularly impressive. I like the mocking eyeroll/hand-motion he does several times in the video.
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I love band geeks. Of course I am/was one.
I would love, however, if this kid played something _he_ thought was difficult rather than just dissecting Travis' performance.
Band geek FTW.
ha! so much sarcasm.
Good job band geek, but next time: Less jazz hands.
I really hope this turns into an escalating online drum battle between the famous tattoo'd drummer and the bored high school band geek.
(patiently waiting for Barker's response video)
All drum arguments fail once you bring Neil Peart into it. So, consider this one over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF-k4wg70rg
Ya, Barker's snare drum work isn't impressive, but his complete drum kit work is. His tricks and the rhythm he goes into in the video aren't high caliber like you would see in a drum corps competition, but he's a punk/rock bank drummer not a marching drummer.
I think the kid deserves credit for illustrating the ease of the routine; although, the fans that think Barker is God may be less reasonable.
That kid sucked. He didn't even have a cowbell...
Notice he doesn't look down at the drum like the other guy does. Apparently, this is an important signifier.
Hey, I knew that before I saw that drum movie that was playing incessantly on TV!
as someone who has been in the band geek's shoes, i can tell you that barker's form and cadence are terribly sloppy by marching band standards. of course, as the commenter above pointed out, they probably got that way from years of being a punk drummer and playing a full set.
the kid's video was funny but probably could have used more actual drumming to make his point. there are acres of cooler stick moves you could throw in that look cooler than stick clicks.
the vid makes it obvious that barker was in a marching band at one point, but without practice of that style became sloppy. I'm sure I'd look/sound the same way were i to step up to a marching snare these days.
It signals a true shift in the world, I think, that an average 17 year old kid now has the ability to make an accomplished rock star feel just a little bit small. I love this.
I had no idea who Travis Barker was until I read all the troll comments on Gene Krupa/ Buddy Rich youtube videos. It's amazing how a rabid and ignorant fan base can cause me to hate an otherwise competent musician. Good job to this kid for making a video that will deflect the drum trolls from the krupa/Rich videos for a while.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7k6VYGtm8g&feature=PlayList&p=09D457154A618CA4&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plfshlhD_BY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHr4XQ9SEcg&feature=related
When I was studying music at UNT one of the coolest things was hearing the drumline practicing until all hours of the night. Hearing it bounce and echo throughout the campuss. It gave us rock/pop musicians mad respect for what those guys could do as a unit.
The rumor at the time was that they kept dominating competitions to the point that they were asked to no longer compete (during the late 80's) but instead come to said competitions and put on demos for the other corps.
UNT Drumline 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOc_EwdE7Kk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIPIc3bkYoc
Travis get back to work!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgaD54YcXpA
David @6
Punk rock band? really? Reallllly?!?
Top forty teen sure, punk never! Too many skills and professional tatts. Punk 2.0 maybe (after the soul and angst has been sucked out of it). Calling Blink 182 punk is an insult to the Angry Samoans, the Dead Boys, MDC and many many others.
This reminds me of a lame joke nobody gets.
An Englishman went on a guided expedition through Africa and day and night for weeks all he heard everywhere he went was drumming.
Constant drumming until it drove him crazy and he finally asked, "Can't you guys hear that drumming, why isn't it bother you?"
That's when one of the African guides said, "At least its not the base solo."
i didnt get that joke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vINqKOZcLLs
much better!
Unfortunately for the Band Geek, people who think Travis is a drumming god aren't exactly the best judges of talent.
I don't think the point of Travis doing some marching band-style drumming during the recording of an album almost 10 years ago (which is where this video was captured) was ever to be like "look how amazing he is at this style of music".
It was done mainly to illustrate the well-known fact that Travis has played and can play many different styles of music (i.e., you hear Mark asking him to do "tricks" and "some marching band"). People who only know him from Blink are missing a lot of the picture; he has worked with hip-hop, reggae, metal, jazz, and other artists going back way before he joined Blink in 1998.
The real essence of the video existing is when Mark says, halfway through "I can barely play my instrument". While it's largely attributable to Mark's self-deprecating character, it's also because Mark really thinks highly of Travis and his musical breadth.
I don't know if I should admit that I watched it, but a couple of years ago in the height of reality TV's popularity there was Tommy Lee goes to College. Tommy Lee (for those who may not be aware) is/was the drummer for heavy metal band Motley Crue (with umlauts).
Anyway, in his "reality show" he attended some Midwestern college, the idea being that a tattooed rockstar would make everyone uncomfortable and hilarity would ensue. At one point he joins the college marching band and no surprise to anyone, he fails to successfully play a rudimentary marching beat.
The moral of the story, a lot of rock bands and rock stars are devoid of talent, but they look the part so whatever... with a few notable exceptions (Neil Peart).
Buuuuuurn.
Although I feel a little bad for Travis, in this case...he's just a guy that plays drums, doesn't seem to me like he's claiming to be anything but.
This geeks beef is with the fawning commenters though, so yeah, buuuuuuurn.
but, as someone mentioned on the Youtube comments -- travis trumps the kid with TIME. Drumming is all about TIME, and Travis has that in spades. His feel and swing, also augment his time. The kid shows a technical command, but he's stodgy. He is trying to explain, so he's in less performance mode and more teaching mode -- however ...
@ #20 Jay Acker: The version of that joke I heard had the natives repeatedly insisting that the drumming must NEVER stop. Because then there would be a bass solo.
Ever-so-slightly funnier, I think.
But still not that funny.
Band Geeks Rule!!
Anyway, I'll see your Neil Peart, and raise you a John Bonham. I imagine the only reason people think Barker is a great drummer is because he is a contemporary drummer that people can actually name. He was married to a Playboy model, starred in a reality TV show and survived a plane crash. He has name recognition going for him.
ARrrrrrrgh! The things you like are not as good as the things I enjoy! Nor are they as real!
/you can end the thread now
It's somewhat funny, but I can't really admire this kid for doing this.
His whole message boils down to "That thing that you enjoy isn't so good. Like it less! You're stupid for enjoying it in the first place."
What's the point in just being a killjoy? Why does he even care anyway what other people like?
@ Jay Acker: My father told that one to me, but ending with
... one day, long after he had stopped even noticing the drumming, after it had worked its way deep into his brain, after it had become part of his everyday life, the drumming suddenly stopped. The Englishman was surprised, and was even more surprised at how downcast everyone suddenly looked. "What's wrong?" he asked, "aren't you all happy that the drumming has stopped?" "Oh no," they said, sadly, "next it's the bass solo."
...errr, sorry, did I just feel the need to post another version of a lame joke? Oops.
I'll see your Peart,cover your Bonham, and throw down a RINGO!
You need to provide a little better guidance for your son at this tender age and limit his exposure to that kind of twaddle. Give him some Cobham and Bonham if he's a drum freak.
Travis Barker is in Blink 182
The guitar player from Blink 182 went to my high school at the same time I did.
I was a band geek. Our high school band was the number one band in California at the time.
A guy I played trumpet with in my college marching band went on to play trumpet in The Aquabats.
Travis Barker used to be in the Aquabats.
Is all this coincidence? Yes.
But it is like some kind of band geek six degrees of separation game for me, which is kind of fun.
BTW - I love how the first thing out of the kid's mouth is a disgusted sigh...
#29 - "What's the point in just being a killjoy? Why does he even care anyway what other people like?"
= 75%* of all public internet forum traffic.
* This number is likely not accurate.
Tommy Lee (for those who may not be aware) is/was the drummer for heavy metal band Motley Crue (with umlauts).
He's a musician? I only know him from his short films.
#36 - = 75%* of all public internet forum traffic.
Also = 75% of all marching band drummers. ;)
He's a musician? I only know him from his short films.
How short? Were they uncut?
#4
"Less Jazz hands" funniest thing I have read all day. Thank you.
Less jazz hands is always a good thing.
So yeah, I mean the kid has a point, but he's still a total douchebag
@36: = 75%* of all public internet forum traffic.
Yeah, I've noticed that. It's like we've collectively become a culture of bitter old grouches, not enjoying much or achieving much ourselves, and hellbent on making sure nobody else does.
It occurred to me that this kid had two options when he realized that this drumming was relatively easy, and that he could replicate it:
Option A) He could have gone to a party and started chatting up an attractive female wearing a Blink 182 t-shirt. Chat about how awesome the blink snare drum video is. Take out the drumsticks and play it on the coffee table, without any of the cynical snark. He'd be the life of the party.
Option B) What he did.
Beautiful, nice work. :)
I played the drums for a couple of years of my life, but didn't have the spirit to excel within the intstrument at the time, maybe i should give it another go.
Great show.
How short? Were they uncut?
They were a very deep exploration of their subject.
@41"Option A) He could have gone to a party and started chatting up an attractive female wearing a Blink 182 t-shirt. Chat about how awesome the blink snare drum video is. Take out the drumsticks and play it on the coffee table, without any of the cynical snark. He'd be the life of the party.
Option B) What he did."
1. maybe he didn't want to start off his chatup with a lie ("I like blink 182" Where does he go after that if he actually hates them?)
2. Maybe he didn't want to get laid with a girl he considers to be stupid (because she would be the kind of girl who thinks that blink 182 are wicked awesome).
OrangeBag..
Exactly. Leaving Option B.
@Orangebag:
You have a point.
But then there's always Option C) Put his time into things that he actually likes, and interact with people he doesn't consider "stupid." You know, rather than hunting down videos of a band he dislikes, studying them and learning to play them himself, then posting a video to communicate with the kind of people who think that blink 182 are wicked awesome.
I hope that it turns into a drum battle like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erE8WTngaAY
This thread is useless without a nod to Mastodon's Brann Dailor.
Nod to you, Brann.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqayQGHHMhg
I think you all are forgetting one of the greats.
He played with the Group Dr. Teeth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8aGlOj2VFo
On the subject of phenominal rock drummers:
Birdstuff!!! (Man or Astroman)
#24 exactly what I was thinking.
The GOD Stevie Wonder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBA4vWQRBA0
#32 @ SAMSAM
Thank you so very much for posting the correct and much funnier version of my admittedly lame joke. I was trying to draw that one from deep out of my memory from my high school band teacher, and yours was how it was told.
Since I was never a drummer or bass player I guess it never resonated with me. Which brings me to a joke that is closer to my heart.
Q. What is the perfect pitch for a saxaphone?
A. Out the window.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks Brann Dailor is a god.
One more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVTat27lkmM
ok! the fct that this kid even mentions jeff queen gets my respect. if you know jeff or know of him, then you know. that's all i have to say....werd to the band geek, long live band geeks!
#50 Hand in your Muppet Geek Card, the band was Dr Teeth and The Electric Mayhem Band. Members: Dr Teeth (keyboards, vocals), Janice (guitar), Sergeant Floyd Pepper (bass guitar), Zoot (saxophone) and Animal (drums and occasional Rita Moreno assaults).
@#27 Maddy:
Drumming is all about TIME, and Travis has that in spades. His feel and swing, also augment his time. The kid shows a technical command, but he's stodgy. He is trying to explain, so he's in less performance mode and more teaching mode -- however ...
The kid is in explanation mode, like you say. He's not playing at performance cadence. But, you might also notice the headphones Travis is wearing, which are playing a click track. At one point he walks to the console and turns it on, it sounds like a digital cowbell. You can hear it at the end of the clip after he stops playing, too. So as for TIME, there is also a TOOL...
Band geek FTW.
@#56
Never claimed to be a Muppet geek, however I feel very enlightened now. I was much to young to remember such details. Thanks!
I see live local bands on a regular basis who can outplay any well-known drummer out there. Once you reach a certain level of technical prowess, it becomes a matter of style. This kid has no idea what style is, and unless he matures a bit from this 13-year old mentality, he'll never get it. (Spoken as someone who also had a 13-year old mentality at 17.)
There are at least half a dozen drummers who are head and shoulders above Travis Barker in terms of skill and creativity:
- Bill Rieflin (Ministry, Pigface, REM)
- Bun E. Carlos (Cheap Trick, Tinted Windows)
- Rey Washam (Scratch Acid, Ministry, Didgits)
- Topper Headon (The Clash)
- Mick Harris (Napalm Death, Scorn)
- Martin Atkins (PIL, Pigface, head of Invisible Records, teaches "music industry 101" courses)
As a professional performer, Barker is seriously middle-of-the-pack, and music fans who see him as some sort of god need to get their vision checked. :-)
John Stanier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YogoWmH1cn4&feature=related
ohw ehm ghee
Kinda young to be such a hater.
Gotta love the kid getting so annoyed at comments on the innnermanets. I mean, really?
Reminds me of a doco-piece I saw where this pissed-off paleontologist talked at length about how T Rex is often represented as having big arms when really the fossil record suggests they were much smaller. So, his thesis was that T Rex isn't as awesome as people make out, and, it's really wrong people think that. Meh.
my favorite part of the internet is when we get
together and judge some random and properly
disaffected teenager who was only a judger himself.
all we had was livejournal and while excellent for
angst, it was deficient for showing my mad drumming
skills.
in the teen's defense, in a few years he will break hearts.
Travis has broken all of his.
Travis Barker is a pretty cool drummer... he also played in the Transplants (with Tim Armstrong) as well as a bunch of other projects. You can't really say he's not legit and be taken seriously.
Don't think he ever claimed to be the best drummer ever. There's a big difference between playing a line thousands of kids have learned in high school and making original, innovative music...
look folks, your favorite drummer sucks and here's the proof
Joey Baron smites your favorite drummer
perhaps Joe Morello could give him a beating... but not many others stand a chance in the drum-ring-o-death
All your base are belong to Gavin Harrison. In fact, right now he's in your base killin your d00dz.
Can't think of any other outdated Internet memes right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCIUpW3q9s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEbAlC9F9fw
This guy goes mad on the snare, from the movie "Taxi Driver".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSUYzg18jM
@some dude
"""The real essence of the video existing is when Mark says, halfway through "I can barely play my instrument"."""
Anyone who has seen Blink 182 live knows that is a total lie.
"Kinda young to be such a hater."
What other age is there to be a hater? Hell, that's all I did when I was 17...
How do you get a drummer off your porch?
Pay him for the pizza.
Apologies to my wife, who first told me the joke, which she used to terrorize an old drummer bf with.
#19 FTW!!!
Blink 182 is not fucking Punk!
Go band geek! Plus, I always vote for the guy with the least tatoos....
unicorn_chase this with flutebox lee and beardyman. plus a message to the world that not only does it take more muscle to frown but hate exhausts us far more than love.
Now this is impressive...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb5VImRI5Ag
Ok,ok.. heres my wait-til-you-hear-this guy. Zach Hill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdMDcG3zAEI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8AzjOfwk4s
The kid's response has nothing to do with Travis Barker. He is responding to people who left comments like this about Barker's video:
Totally off the scale man. I cry like a baby every time I watch this vid. This guy is just so totaly frickin insanely genuis that I have to punch myself to stop screaming and turning lights on anf off.. I havent eaten for three days now.
The problem is that people often confuse their love of music, a particular band, or a particular musician with technical knowledge of what goes into creating the music they love. The band geek is not trying say that people shouldn't like Barker. He's not even saying that Barker's a bad drummer. All he's trying to point out is that if you think that video demonstrates that Barker's a genius, then you're wrong.
You don't have to have monster chops to be a good rock drummer, you just have to play what's right for the tune, with feeling. Most rock-n-roll calls for little more than variations on 4/4 or basic shuffle beats, and fills based on single stroke rolls. Even if you have the chops, if you use them inappropriately you are not a good musician.
Tossing in a vote for Thomas Pridgen of Mars Volta for talent, style, angriness, and being able to beat up any of your dads.
Anyway, what can be so hard about banging a couple of sticks on something? Pshhaw.
At one point he (Tommy Lee) joins the college marching band and no surprise to anyone, he fails to successfully play a rudimentary marching beat.
The moral of the story, a lot of rock bands and rock stars are devoid of talent,
Where to start?
1. Right, because being a good rock drummer is all about being able to play in time with a marching band.
2. OK, so when do we see the marching band drummers play a full drum kit? Like, for a day in a recording studio or for an entire concert?
3. I don't even like Motley Crue. Nor Blink-182. But obviously their drummers have enough talent to play appropriately for the kind of music they play.
4. To sum up: since when has playing popular music been a competition to see who has the better technical skill?
On the other hand:
1. Yes, the people who think Barker is some kind of drum god, and that this video indicates as such, are nuts.
Anyways, to bring it back into focus...here's some real marching snare work :) Ivan Pacheco ftw!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1WKmoUrDiQ
Dang, pretend that the line beginning "The moral of the story" is also in italics.
That's what I get for not using the Preview function.
#69 @ Anonymous
Thanks for keeping the joke thread going. That one actually made me snort! I could just hear the rimshot after that one liner.
I fixed it. That tag doesn't carry over a line break. System quirk.
More cowbell, please.
Sincerely, Christopher Walken
The fact that there are many drummers with greater skills than Travis is just that; a fact.
That most of these drummers also know how to wear trousers is just another fact.
... Animal FTW! (CAAAAARS!)
Rock musicality is it's own thing. It has different standards and different criteria. A rock musician has different goals than a jazz musician, or a classical musician, or (why not?) a marching band musician.
this page gets way more support than youtube...maybe because it's actually inhabited by intelligent individuals rather than prepubescent 10 year olds who idealize travis barker in more ways than i care to count.
anywho, thanks for the support, and check out my other videos
I'm completely sickened by the lack of snare based talent on display. There's only one cure, more cowbell!
(dear-o-dear I created an account to say that -no more boing boing lurking for me)
Barker and that kid suck...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGzxT4L7hXs
'nuff said....was there, bout 25 ft. away, unbelievable.
Thanks, Antinous.
@Nosehat
"Rock musicality is it's own thing. It has different standards and different criteria. A rock musician has different goals than a jazz musician, or a classical musician, or (why not?) a marching band musician."
Bullplop. Rock musicality is not it's own thing, the rock musician is trying to convey emotions and communicate as much as the jazz musician or the polka musician or the tango musician. Rock music is less improvised and provides for a much less restricted timbre than, say, gamelan, but nevertheless, with very basic elements can be very emotional.
Now, as to proficiency and musicianship, which is the subject matter here, when stating that Blink 182's drummer is a genius is not only false, it completely ignores what being a genius actually is, based on a limited knowledge of what music is in reality. There was only one musical genius in rock and it was Don Van Vliet aka Captain Beefheart.
In punk music, real punk music, many drummers have been quite better than Blink 182's drummer (and Blink 182 is not punk, it's, at best, power pop in terms of economical/musical niche) such as Martin Atkins, Jim Sclavunos or Grant Hart.
And for those who measure musicianship in terms of technical prowess, Neil Peart doesn't come as near as Keith Moon, Tim Alexander, Damon Che, William Calhoun and Jaki Liebzeit. And I'm still restricting myself to rock. Compared to jazz drummers, Neil Peart is not very good.
Kudos to that teen for underlining the accessibility of drumming; I hope that many kids show the guys in Blink 182 that they can do better. Which is not hard at all.
some samba:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Bmg_HjkPU
The version of the joke the way I heard it was: The englishman in the jungle is going crazy from the drums, he turns to the guide and asks "Dosnt it ever stop, it's driving me crazy!" For a brief second, a pause comes from the dark, then a single voice cries out...
"It's not our regular drummer!"
Still not very funny.
So what if it isn't particularly difficult? Even pros warm up to some of the same simple exercises they used to warm up to when they were first developing their skills. Guitarists and bass players warm up with scales, drummers warm up with rudiments--both simple exercises. Travis is juuust warming up. He could rip this kid a new one any day of the week.
I play drums and the band geeks a prick but he's totaly right.
What do you call a drummer in a three piece suit??
-The Defendant!!
What did the drummer get on his SAT?
-Drool!!
Another drummer chiming in. What Travis Barker was doing on the marching snare wasn't super difficult. I was on drumline and while I could do some of that stuff, many of my friends could do stuff like that easily (in High School). We weren't especially talented, no prodigies. It's really pretty standard drum corp stuff.
That said, Dravis Barker is a monster on the drumset.
I see a lot of great drummers listed above and just wanted to add my two cents - Ginger Baker is amazing, not necessarily a rock drummer as much as a jazz drummer but incredible chops and showmanship all the same.
12 Year old drummer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPncumXZExo
Awesome! When I first saw the Travis Barker (shortly after his near fatal plane crash here in Columbia, SC) video I was impressed but this cool kid shows how easily and how quickly one can master the drums!
The point isn't that you shouldn't like Blink 182 (although you shouldn't, really), it's that you should know something about what you're looking at if you're going to judge it on technical merits.
It would have been better if he'd done it in the style of Jason Garfield taking down Chris Bliss. 'Cause that was even funnier.
(And it couldn't be hard; my snare-drumming cousins could come up with more impressive routines in their sleep.)
Hahahahahaha I know that kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well he might be a band geek, but what travis does is not dificult at all... I mean a non musician might get inpresed but, its really not dificult. What I can say on travis favor, is that he was probably not trying to inpress anyone, maybe he was recording some arrengements for a song, who knows?
JOHN BONHAM!
ben cracks me up.
You are my fave BenBen.
I haven't seen mention of the One and Only:
Bernard Purdie
My apologies if I missed someones else's link. Watch him here, constructing the famous Purdie Shuffle, note by note.. A beautiful, complex, funky momma groove.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFlrI-sorec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N07bUXq09bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FX_84iWPLU
Seriously.. when it breaks, can you feel that fuckin' groove?
And then he mixes it up.. Gawd Damn! This man is the master.
Or Idris Mohammad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9nJCDq8Zzc
Triple! Sorry.
OK, I just watched the Stevie Wonder clip, linked above (#52), and it was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen.. truly. I'm speechless and exhilarated. An already incredible man, now even more elevated in my esteem. Fantastic!
Watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBA4vWQRBA0
Hey there band geek and all your sorry supporters. Get a life, if have nothing better to do than bash on other peoples playing than i feel somewhat bad for you. Why did you have to turn it into this. Why can't you just give props to barker instead of having a hissy fit and making a video trying to prove how special you think you are. I can't stand people like you who sit around the lunch table at break playing magic and then going out and make this stupid video to boost your self esteem. Your a d-bag in my book and yes tons of people have, and will continue to make fun of you.