David says: "Art of Bleeding put together a rather creepy remix of an ABC News interview with the polygamist mothers. I can't get it out of my head." Link (original news segment here.)
Although I found the remix flat out creepy...
I actually really sympathize with the way the girl in the middle acts. That is me under heavy stress. That weird frozen smile, that weird pathetic laugh.
There is a video somewhere of me when my son was in the hospital with less than a week of projected life left where I look frightfully similar. Inappropriate smiling, giggling, and zombi-like speaking is one of the ways people can show major stress. To me she looks like her world was just ripped apart, and she feels like curling up and dying.
I never thought about it, but maybe everyone found me creepy too.
The "it's our ranch. it's our home" was interesting but then it started putting in the George W. Bush stuff and the Waco stuff and it got odd. It seems like it is drawing a connection between a cult with a bed in their church and Waco or the terrorism-inspired civil rights erosion that has occurred. I can't say I agree.
The George Bush and Waco stuff refers to the portion of Americans who fail to realize what they're seeing happening to this group is happening to them too, and they're just as oblivious.
I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I am at least conscious of the changes in the attitude of Americans in general, as well as the change in the nature of law enforcement since 9/11 (resultant IMO from the political and media psychosis and shareholder demand for profit). No one I know seems to have a different attitude, but polls & stuff seem to say that the collective we are kinda chicken and happy to suck government dick, and personal experience with law enforcement personnel seems to say they feel more empowered, or more correctly, more free to screw ever-more-severely with people over trivial stuff. I say that as a person who chats with officers from time to time and as a chance observer of police dealings with a wide array of individuals over 20+ years, not as a target.
The later post above this one about the banana prank is a great example. Submission is being trained into Americans, be it right or wrong. Scale and relevance of "offenses" are being forgotten in favor of black-and-white compliance.
I think a certain level or irreverence is healthy--there needs to be some level of "okay, you got me," along with a nod, an eyeroll, and some mutual respect between the good guys and the bad guys--that seems to have dissipated (I'm not referring to actual crime type crimes here). In other words, cops need to remember the phrase, "gee whiz you guys" and employ it as they used to.
With that in mind, realize I've not endorsed, justified, or accepted the stuff the religious group from the link was into. I think it's pretty icky, and it fails to comply with the morals of our society in general on some rather serious points, which bear serious review, which I trust the courts to deal with as instructed by the Constitution, of which I am an enthusiast.
Also realize that this is just some song put together by some people who found some catchy soundbites--and that not all art is dead serious stuff, or if it is, even accurate, no matter the material from which it's rendered.
Speaking as someone descended from people who had their homes taken from them, I can't help but feel that slight cringe of recognition of the horror in their faces. But then again, I can't help but viscerally react to fourteen year old girls getting knocked up by sweaty old men.
KINGOFCATS must surely understand
the 83/17 rule applies to groups of
sufficient size...(see James Merrill's Changing Light At Sandover for
more on this cosmic ratio)
Those who comment on BB definitely constitute
a representative sample of the human universe.
Thus, 87 of 100 BB commenters are no different than the "it's our ranch, it's our home" homespun hotties.
They merely have a different fantasy ranch to
claim as home.
Not meant as putdown to the commenters, just an
observation that for most people, reality is a
construct, and if these polygamists "creep you out" perhaps it's because they are real.
"One thing to bear in mind is that the only evidence of abuse was a single anonymous phone call which was the pretext for the entire raid."
That's true. No right-thinking person supports incest/sexual abuse, just as no one wants to be blown up by a terrorist, but that doesn't mean any gov't reaction is correctly proportioned and justified. From what I've read, seems like a precipitous use of gov't force and collective punishment, once again.
Deviancy doesn't go over well here. I'm not sure about what this place was, and I don't know if I ever will be, but I'm also not sure if the response was appropriate.
If we could prove they were saving them, then I'd be proud of my state's swift response. But - it doesn't look like that's going to happen. And I shouldn't support vigilantism, even if it does have a good effect, especially from a government. Because usually this sort of vigilantism goes wrong; that's why we have laws and procedures.
And it's going to be terrible if this was an inappropriate response. (I say this as someone who has had her younger brother taken by CPS to a home which was actually physically abusive, from my mother's care, which was if not perfect much better than being burned by cigarettes for misbehavior.)
Old guys fucking twelve year olds. It's hard to get into much of a philosophical debate over the merits of government response in this case. I think that there's some conflation of the government's response to terrorism and its response to child abuse. Terrorism is extremely rare; the response pervasive and draconian. Sexual abuse of children is extremely common; the response occasional and inadequate.
creepy is somehow not enough...
What's the word for super-duper creepy?
In some small way, I feel their pain and sympathize; but in another big way I want them thrown UNDER the jail.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA my mind. what is it the kids always say... something about unicorns chasing...
Although I found the remix flat out creepy...
I actually really sympathize with the way the girl in the middle acts. That is me under heavy stress. That weird frozen smile, that weird pathetic laugh.
There is a video somewhere of me when my son was in the hospital with less than a week of projected life left where I look frightfully similar. Inappropriate smiling, giggling, and zombi-like speaking is one of the ways people can show major stress. To me she looks like her world was just ripped apart, and she feels like curling up and dying.
I never thought about it, but maybe everyone found me creepy too.
"Compound Wife" myspace page.
http://www.myspace.com/joekafka
I'm not sure what's creepier, the video in general or the desperately wide smile of the woman in the middle.
What does George Bush have to do with it?
Or how about the subliminal references to a police state ruled by Führer Bush!
That raid was the beginning of the end...
That raid was the beginning of the end...
Of incestuous child rape? I hope so. And was that woman in the middle the model for Ruth Fisher?
The "it's our ranch. it's our home" was interesting but then it started putting in the George W. Bush stuff and the Waco stuff and it got odd. It seems like it is drawing a connection between a cult with a bed in their church and Waco or the terrorism-inspired civil rights erosion that has occurred. I can't say I agree.
It's our ranch, it's our home.
Reminds me of old Emergency Broadcast Network videos.
"Comply," especially.
The George Bush and Waco stuff refers to the portion of Americans who fail to realize what they're seeing happening to this group is happening to them too, and they're just as oblivious.
I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I am at least conscious of the changes in the attitude of Americans in general, as well as the change in the nature of law enforcement since 9/11 (resultant IMO from the political and media psychosis and shareholder demand for profit). No one I know seems to have a different attitude, but polls & stuff seem to say that the collective we are kinda chicken and happy to suck government dick, and personal experience with law enforcement personnel seems to say they feel more empowered, or more correctly, more free to screw ever-more-severely with people over trivial stuff. I say that as a person who chats with officers from time to time and as a chance observer of police dealings with a wide array of individuals over 20+ years, not as a target.
The later post above this one about the banana prank is a great example. Submission is being trained into Americans, be it right or wrong. Scale and relevance of "offenses" are being forgotten in favor of black-and-white compliance.
I think a certain level or irreverence is healthy--there needs to be some level of "okay, you got me," along with a nod, an eyeroll, and some mutual respect between the good guys and the bad guys--that seems to have dissipated (I'm not referring to actual crime type crimes here). In other words, cops need to remember the phrase, "gee whiz you guys" and employ it as they used to.
With that in mind, realize I've not endorsed, justified, or accepted the stuff the religious group from the link was into. I think it's pretty icky, and it fails to comply with the morals of our society in general on some rather serious points, which bear serious review, which I trust the courts to deal with as instructed by the Constitution, of which I am an enthusiast.
Also realize that this is just some song put together by some people who found some catchy soundbites--and that not all art is dead serious stuff, or if it is, even accurate, no matter the material from which it's rendered.
For example, Judas Priest's song "Electric Eye."
God that was creepy... but for a little while there I was bobbing to "it's our ranch.. it's our home".
Speaking as someone descended from people who had their homes taken from them, I can't help but feel that slight cringe of recognition of the horror in their faces. But then again, I can't help but viscerally react to fourteen year old girls getting knocked up by sweaty old men.
As Art it has provoked by thought and comment, both at the same time too. Interesting.
Damn, that's catchy.
That should, of course, say:
As Art it provokes both thought and comment, at the same time too. Interesting.
Its like the Manson family meets "Little House on the Prairie".
Has BoingBoing stopped posting NSFW on posts that contain porn? Oh and btw, KingofCats is SPOT ON. Bravo King...B-R-A-V-O!!
Definitely deserves an NSFW tag.
"Morpheus, why do my eyes hurt?"
"Because you've never used them, Neo."
"Ignorance is bliss" - Cipher.
KINGOFCATS must surely understand
the 83/17 rule applies to groups of
sufficient size...(see James Merrill's
Changing Light At Sandover for
more on this cosmic ratio)
Those who comment on BB definitely constitute
a representative sample of the human universe.
Thus, 87 of 100 BB commenters are no different than the "it's our ranch, it's our home" homespun hotties.
They merely have a different fantasy ranch to
claim as home.
Not meant as putdown to the commenters, just an
observation that for most people, reality is a
construct, and if these polygamists "creep you out" perhaps it's because they are real.
That kind of video scars the soul.
One thing to bear in mind is that the only evidence of abuse was a single anonymous phone call which was the pretext for the entire raid.
"One thing to bear in mind is that the only evidence of abuse was a single anonymous phone call which was the pretext for the entire raid."
That's true. No right-thinking person supports incest/sexual abuse, just as no one wants to be blown up by a terrorist, but that doesn't mean any gov't reaction is correctly proportioned and justified. From what I've read, seems like a precipitous use of gov't force and collective punishment, once again.
Anyway, great video. America is still waiting?
Second thing to bear in mind that this is Texas.
Deviancy doesn't go over well here. I'm not sure about what this place was, and I don't know if I ever will be, but I'm also not sure if the response was appropriate.
If we could prove they were saving them, then I'd be proud of my state's swift response. But - it doesn't look like that's going to happen. And I shouldn't support vigilantism, even if it does have a good effect, especially from a government. Because usually this sort of vigilantism goes wrong; that's why we have laws and procedures.
And it's going to be terrible if this was an inappropriate response. (I say this as someone who has had her younger brother taken by CPS to a home which was actually physically abusive, from my mother's care, which was if not perfect much better than being burned by cigarettes for misbehavior.)
Old guys fucking twelve year olds. It's hard to get into much of a philosophical debate over the merits of government response in this case. I think that there's some conflation of the government's response to terrorism and its response to child abuse. Terrorism is extremely rare; the response pervasive and draconian. Sexual abuse of children is extremely common; the response occasional and inadequate.