Real poop behind 2G1C, US obscenity law, and 'net security.
The Smoking Gun reveals the identify of the director of "2 Girls, 1 Cup," the internet's latest shock-meme. 2G1C's director is a Brazilian named Marco Fiorito. The 36-year-old from Sao Paulo describes himself as a "compulsive fetishist" and "an artist in the art of movie making." He started a porn production company with his wife in the mid-'90s, focusing at first on foot fetish films:
While Fiorito contends that his revolting films are not illegal in Brazil, some of his works have been branded obscene by U.S. prosecutors and led last year to the indictment of Danilo Croce, a Brazilian lawyer who lived in Florida and was listed on corporate documents as an officer of a company distributing Fiorito's films.Link to court filings at The Smoking Gun (8 pages).In his legal declaration, which was filed in U.S. District Court in Orlando, Fiorito contended that Croce, 43, had no role in his movie business, other than helping to process credit card transactions through a travel company the attorney owned. In June, Croce, who cooperated with investigators, copped a plea and was later sentenced to three years of unsupervised probation (since he was returning to Brazil) and ordered to forfeit $98,000.
In his declaration, Fiorito explained that had he known that selling his films in the U.S. was illegal, "I would have stopped because the money is not the main reason that I make these films." He then added, "I have already made fetish movies with scat/feces using chocolate instead of feces. Many actors make scat films but they don't agree to eat feces."
See also this essay by internet security expert Adam J. O'Donnell: Security Implications of "Two Chicks, One Cup": not a joke. Snip:
Websites have started sprouting up that claim to host the video, but actually host malware. If you attempt to search for either "Two Chicks(Girls), One Cup" or "Two Chicks(Girls), One Finger", you may end up at malware sites likes these. This is similar to the codec attacks recently described by Sunbelt Software. I am concerned that... I can't believe I am writing this... security vendors will be loathe to post warnings regarding malicious versions of the content because the content itself is so wretched.Link.
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I'm probably in the minority here, but I've never seen this... and I believe I'll be happy if I live the rest of the my days NOT seeing it either.
So is it poop or not?
I think there was a cut between the defecation part and the parts where they eat it.
Thus, it could have been:
1. The real deal all the way;
2. Real fecal matter defecated; phony fecal
matter eaten;
3. Fake fecal matter defecated and eaten;
4. That "shit" was digital!
Nevertheless, they were still puking whatever the substance was up and into each other's mouths.
People have been doing stuff likes for eons; just read the Marquis de Sade's work. There are probably some hieroglyphs with similar subject matter.
We will probably never know with exact certainty what happened, since it's a movie, and you can't trust it's makers to tell the trut.
@#3: heh heh heh.
Well now I'm really curious, is it poop? I always thought it looked... froGOD I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M TRYING TO DISCUSS IT!!!
You know, do all the nasty shit you want, as long as everyone consents, everybody wins!!!
Except for the poor bastards and bastardessess that inadvertently watched it.
At this point, the humor has sort of taken on a life of its own. Thank God I read the Cliff Notes before searing it into my hypothalamus for life.
I looked for the original, because I was starting to wonder if it was an art project. Perhaps, I thought, the scat video didn't exist, but you could get people looking for it, and creating tributes. For example the 'granny' expressing shock might have been an actor.
A bit like wondering what's under the Scotsman's kilt.
You will never know what is under my kilt. Only my girlfriend knows.
And all those people at the bar when I was hammered and wanted to express my real feelings about Bon Jovi.
If it's not real and inspires people to try it. My god, the irony!
This topic _is not wonderful_. It's sick like a bad fever or food poisoning. This is not good BoingBoing material.
Looks like the shit has hit the fan!
@kingmu
The subject matter of the clip may not be wonderful, but internet memes (as a category), and the tangled web from which they spring forth, are.
I have not looked for the clip described here, but the description makes me wonder if this is edited from a file called SWAP.AVI which was described at length on the somethingawful.com website...
"This topic _is not wonderful_. It's sick like a bad fever or food poisoning."
I was wondering about this. Isn't that exactly what you'd get from eating real poop?
Recently I'd come across a comment thread about such malware below a blog post. That post had a headline which implied you could watch the 2g1c video there, but in fact you couldn't. Below, one of the comments promised a proper link, but linked to some malware, and another comment pointed exactly that out to possibly unsuspecting readers. At the time I didn't think twice about that and just surfed on; to me such an attack is trivial and I'm usually not around people who would fall for such a trick. Most people I know don't even have an OS or apps that could possibly be affected.
But now that I consider it again, actually this is one more reason why, if you have to talk about that stuff (and I really don't care one bit whether you do), you should provide a proper link to the subject of your post. Apophasis is an asshole tactic anyways, however I didn't see it that way when Pesco and Xeni did it, because their intentions certainly were good, and if you really have to see the videos, they're easy enough to find with a simple web search. The link to the stupid reaction video was too much, however. When you google for "two girls one cup" today, you only get reaction videos and 'fake' links in the top 20 results, and you can end up downloading some malware rather quickly.
One page I'd come across was really creative: It had an Active-X applet embedded inside a screenshot of exactly the frame that is around videos on YouTube. My computer doesn't do Active-X, but I guess what this applet does is show the video with the nasty shit in the foreground and pull off some even nastier shit in the background.
So, it is bad to post about stuff without linking to it. This includes mentioning, in an unrelated post, that you're not talking about a certain video, which people should not watch. Really, why mention it at all, then? Of course, a major reason why doing this is not nice is that cencorship is not nice. Sending people on a time-consuming search is usually rather harmless, as it's their own fault, but when they end up downloading malware ... not cool.
Isn't it funny that the "Can't see the video? Click here" ad for theITroom.com is right under the 2girls1cup article. A moment of web juxtaposition zen.
"Soylent Brown is People's!"
The concept is bad enough, but I might be a jot happier knowing that the unholy grail is a fake. Then again, I still know too much, and can never unknow it, even without watching the POS. Seriously, I'm sorry it was ever even mentioned.
it's no pink flamingos (but it's still disgusting).
I'm just waiting for someone to make a video for "Two Girls, a Cup and a Pizza Place"
Bah, I watched the video a couple of times and I don't think it's real. Without wanting to get too graphic [warning], I'm pretty sure the woman was "stuffed" and then told to push it out. Then a different cup of "stuffing" was given to the women for them to eat. It's still gross, but not the real deal.
I mean, think about it. Given that the producers were so intent on shocking people, they wouldn't have cut between the "pushing out" and the eating if they didn't have to. Why would they do that?
To get an idea of what I mean, compare 2G1C (if you're willing to see it) to the final scene in John Waters' cult hit, Pink Flamingos. There's no cut in John's shot, which is what makes it so shocking and revolting.
Amazingly, if you have never seen Pink Flamingos before, you can see the final scene on Youtube - lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOMrslEMp94
you know, for their willingness to completely debase and humiliate themselves in front of millions of people, the girls that made that movie either got paid thousands and thousands of dollars, or like $12 and a fistfull of crack rocks.
there's no middle ground.
Heh, that was actually the way I saw 2G1C =) I immediately thought that they have substituted chocolate or chocolate ice cream, for two reasons: 1)to keep my sanity =) 2)by placing myself in the place of the director: just makes so much easier to find actors/film/etc. Way more practical. As for puking, well, that was for real.. but that's not as disgusting, since the vomit goes through mouth anyway.. Agh, introducing a measure on disgust is a hopeless/useless task anyway =)
I really hope it's fake. Thinking it might be
fake won't make me able to watch it without
dry heaving, though.
It kind of reminded me of the show Fear Factor.
Cn y drnk th cckrch smth wtht
rtchng? Can you watch 2 girls 1 cup without
getting sick?
I feel compelled to point out that linking directly to sites distributing malware is an extremely bad idea - it risks damaging the computers of naive users who click on the links, and also improves the Google PageRank scores of the sites listed (effectively increasing the likelihood that they'll appear in Google searches for the foul videos in question.)
Tying the film to malware sites is a modern extension of the old badger con; in order to protest the invasion, you have to be willing to admit what you were doing there in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that a lot of fetish sites rip off their paying customers for just such a reason.
As for the whiners who blame BB for defiling their eyeballs, puh-leeze. You're just trying to hand off the remorse that you feel, once your curiosity is sated, onto someone else.
If shit is so awful, why are so few of you talking about the security implications instead?
Good on those who are.
Guys, I've disemvowelled a few passages. It's not that I necessarily disapprove of them; it's that some of the people reading here don't want to be stuck imagining any more chocolate pudding pictures.
Scoutmaster (8), I don't think anyone tries that stuff who doesn't already have the inclination. All the video can do is tell them that they're not the only one in the world who's got that kink. That isn't a bad thing. It might avert a few suicides.
Kingmu (9), you must get past the shit to see the security issues.
Squashy (13), no, probably not, and stop trying to gross out Kingmu.
Kip (16), would you like me to tell you it's fake? I can even tell you that I have a recipe (you know I collect odd recipes) for making a suitably convincing product out of normal kitchen ingredients.
Cochonerie (19), it's no use putting "warning" in front of a description if you enclose the word in carets, since that just makes it invisible. I've taken the liberty of changing the carets to square brackets so it'll show up.
Mitch (22), I could have gone my entire life without reading that second paragraph.
I am surprised by the "big deal" made about this "movie".
In fact it isn't even the movie but the trailer that someone has repackaged as Two Girls and a Cup.
I read in reactions/reviews people thinking MFX 1209 is some kind of cryptic name in the vein of THX 1138,
The number is actually a catalog number for the series. The correct name of the film is MFX 1209: "Hungry Bitches" and and runs and 1:01. Probably more than most people could stomach.
Interesting data about MFX/Marco Fiorito. It subtracts a lot from me to learn the trade secret that the poop is fake.
I've seen a couple of his movies and there are quite a few. The cleverest one to me was MFX 1156: "I shit in your Ass".
ftr mssy fstng sssn Brzln lsbn n trn tk dmp nt th thr grl. Search for Scat and Brazil as well as visits to various torrents sites should produce the actual movies.
Interestedly, the majority of the fetish films are either German or Brazilian.
And it tends to get ruled obscene by the US government. In 2001, a company was forced to forfeit girlspooping dot com (there is no site now at all it is owned by the US Department of Justice.) The site marketed videos of girls on the toilet, no sex.
Ironically, in Japan scat and bukkake films are legal and yet straight intercourse films are illegal.
Spammers love to say "LOL."
Please assume that the above is a malicious link.
I've reported it for removal.
Be wary of anything posted here in future, too.
I've avoided this meme entirely except for a few unfortunate OH SHIT (pun not intended) stills-stumbles. Like back in the Tubgirl / Goatse days.
Really though. Good on all of you for recognizing security issues and the willingness of these people to debase themselves for 12 bucks and some crack but what the real issue is here is this;
WHAT IN HELL IS WRONG WITH HUMANITY?
That is all.
Thanks Tenn, I was wondering the same.
WHAT IN HELL IS WRONG WITH HUMANITY?
nothing new. Just pay attention to the good stuff, the other isn't important nor is it going away.
I usually do. Except when it interferes with the chocolate mini bundt cake I was just enjoying. Emphasis on the 'just'.
One thing is that the government needs to force the porn industry to treat porn performers as employees (eligible for worker's compensation) rather than letting them treat them as independent contractors and externalize the cost when they get HIV and such.
Okay I am going to stop being serious and academic now and go watch Nightwatch.