Jay Kinney reviews Zeitgeist, the Movie
For the last couple of months, Boing Boing readers have been emailing me about a two-hour documentary available on Google Video called Zeitgeist, the Movie. I finally got around to viewing it.
In three parts, Zeitgeist (which has no credits) attempts to show that 1) Christianity is rehashed pagan sun-worship and is used by the rich and powerful to control people, 2) the 9/11 tragedies were part of an elite conspiracy, and 3) ever since World War I, the ultra-rich have been secretly manufacturing wars and financial collapses to control the populace and to get richer and more powerful.
I don't know enough about politics, history, or religion to have a valid opinion of Zeitgeist, but I was interested in getting a well-informed person's assessment of the documentary. I could think of no one better suited than Jay Kinney. He was the publisher of the late, great Gnosis Magazine, the author of several books on Western esoteric and occult traditions, and the author of The Masonic Enigma, "a journey of discovery into the real facts (and mysteries) of Masonry's history and symbols." He's also an amazingly talented cartoonist, and contributed to The Whole Earth Review which is how I first learned about him. (His 1987 article, "If Software Companies Ran the Country," where he compares Al Capp's Shmoos to infinitely-copyable software, remains as fresh and powerful today as it did 20 years ago).
At my request, Jay watched the movie, and kindly wrote the following review for Boing Boing:
Zeiting the GeistLink to Google Video page | Link to torrent filesThe latest bit of guerrilla media to take the online universe by storm is “Zeitgeist, the Movie.” Clocking in at close to two hours’ length, and with over a million views on Google Video since its June 26th “official” release, Zeitgeist is a grabby, cranky, can’t-stop-watching-it documentary that purports to tell the real truth about Christianity, 9/11, and the International Bankers.
Exactly who is behind the video is unclear, although someone with the moniker of “Peter J.” has posted an online letter claiming credit and explaining Zeitgeist’s message to those who may have somehow failed to grasp the worldview that the video hammers home.
And what is that worldview, pray tell? Religions in general, and Christianity in particular, are primarily systems of social control. 9/11 was an inside job and the destruction of the WTC twin towers and building 7 were aided by controlled demolition. And finally, International Bankers, through the Federal Reserve and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), control our money and our future, leading to, ta da, the coming One World Government and the microchipping of everyone.
Exactly how all this fits together is left to the viewer’s imagination or, presumably, the film-maker’s hash pipe. Are those who manipulate Christianity for control purposes in cahoots with the Bankers, and were the Bankers in on the 9/11 caper? Zeitgeist sidesteps such logical questions through the use of the all-purpose term, “the elite,” a shadowy group of rich and powerful men who want nothing more than to enslave humanity and reap block-buster profits through the promotion of wars and financial crises.
For conspiracy buffs, this is all pretty standard fare, and, indeed, aficionados of the genre will find little new in “Zeitgeist.” The notions that most religions were originally a kind of solar worship, and that the Jesus Christ story recapitulated the mythos of numerous other “dying gods,” were floating around in the late 1700s. Fittingly, the video features a quote from Thomas Paine reducing Christianity to warmed-over sun worship, which was a daring bit of religion-baiting 200 years ago, albeit not so earth-shattering today.
The nefarious International Bankers meme has been propagating itself since at least the mid-1800s and has long been a mainstay of radical right-wing circles where it has often overlapped with mutterings about Jewish cabals.
The 9/11 truth segment of the video is, of course, of much more recent vintage, but, here too, it mostly repeats accusations that have gotten widespread play in the uber-skeptic milieu.
Breaking new factual ground is not what Zeitgeist is about, however. Rather, the video is a powerful and fast-acting dose of agitprop, hawking its conclusions as givens. Unfortunately, like most propaganda, it doesn’t play fair with its intended audience. At times, while watching it, I felt like I was getting Malcolm McDowell’s treatment in Clockwork Orange: eyes pried wide open while getting bombarded with quick-cut atrocity photos.
At other times, Zeitgeist engages in willful confusion by showing TV screen shots of network or cable news with voice-overs from unidentified people not associated with the news programs. If one weren’t paying close attention, the effect would be to confer the status and authority of TV news upon the words being spoken. Even when quotes or sound bites are attributed to a source, there’s no way to tell if they are quoted correctly or in context.
Late in the video, there’s a supposed quote from David Rockefeller, which, if genuine, would be an astounding confession of complicity in mass manipulation. But, of course, the quote is not sourced or dated, which renders it useless. (The video’s website does feature a Sources page, but a hodge-podge list of books, with no page numbers cited, is of little value for source verification.)
The over-all temper of the video is rather like the John Birch Society on acid, with interludes by Harry Smith. Incongruously, after spending nearly two hours trying to scare the bejeezis out of its viewers, Zeitgeist ends on an oddly upbeat note, telling us that Love — not Fear — is the answer, We are all One, and featuring sound-bites from Ram Dass and Carl Sagan.
It’s a shame, really, that Zeitgeist is, ultimately, such a mess. There are plenty of legitimate questions about what transpired on 9/11, just as there are plenty of shady doings in international finance or puzzling aspects of religious history, for that matter. And what is coming down in the name of National Security is truly unnerving. Yet, bundling them all together in disjointed fashion does justice to none of them. Time and again, Zeitgeist maximizes emotional impact at the expense of a more reasoned weighing of evidence. But, perhaps that’s the intention.
I’ve often pondered about what it might take to snap everyone out of the walking dream we collectively entered on 9/11/01. Just as the fall of the Berlin Wall provided the emotional pivot for the end of the Cold War, only a collective experience of an intensity equal to that of 9/11 might jolt us awake as to what is really happening in the corridors of power and certain undisclosed locations.
It’s my hunch that Zeitgeist is one attempt to provide such a jolt, and it does indeed pack a certain punch. Too bad it also runs off in three directions at once, and is so indiscriminate in its sources and overly certain of its conclusions. Zeitgeist may be powerful, but its power is tainted with some simplistic and pernicious memes that have already received more propagation than they deserve. The video’s producer does inform us that “It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth . . .”
Indeed.
You, like many others, attack the credibility of the sources, rather than look at the facts and dispute them. There is a video of our president getting upset when asked why he and vice president cheney would not answer questions individually, not under oath, not recorded and no press or family present! When the police have 2 suspects, what is the first thing they do? Seperate the 2, question them individually and record it.
There are also facts, rather evidence of the author's claims, in the sky! There are 3 stars, after the star in the east, that align with the sun on december 25th! The stories line up and the proof is in the sky. Look up and wake up! You are being lied to! While all of the claims and details in this movie may not be true, the general idea is supported by very solid EVIDENCE. Look at the profits of the defense contractors, and cheneys involvement, and then all of the legislation that has taken place on the heels of 9/11, and you have your proof. You people are ignorant and unwilling to consider that your president has an agenda simply because he quotes the bible. Again, I'm sorry to say it, but you are brainwashed folks. Keep blindly obeying the man, see where we end up. Shame on you for not asking questions.
Kinney opposes the movie's stance yet makes no stance of his own.
AMEN
or if you prefer
I BELIEVE
we all need to wake up
It sounds like you had the recorder going after sharing a few cocktails together. Where's the rebuttal of facts etc?.....If you're going to question some the quotes and statements presented in the film, you better put in some time with your research and offer up something substantial...your critique sounds as lightweight as you accuse the film of being. I think this film is just meant to awaken a few people from their stupor and provoke them in to engaging in their own inquiries as to the veracity of received dogma, and hopefully spread the word. Questioning the status quo shouldn't throw you out to the fringes.
Great review! Thanks!
No matter what, the narrator is not forcing any views on us. The beauty of left-wing "propaganda" is that it leaves you to do all the work. Now religious views are stated as implied. The justification of numerous and continual war crimes is always stated as implied. And many involved in the institutions attacked by the movie are racing away from skeptics. What do they have to hide. A simple no comment would suffice. An arrogant refusal always works. But the lengths to which they go to hide so much information that is more than readily available to us is preposterous. Now I wouldn't have ever been interested in politics had I never read any Chomsky or publications such as Znet and the American Free Press. But they only managed to confirm suspicions that I've had purely from an assesment of the news. And all that libertarian speakers can do is point you towards the truth. It's hard to call them activists because they offer few solutions but as long as they're able to report facts freely I am obligated to trust and accredit them as genuine. Now you yourself stated having little knowledge of the topics addressed by the movie so at a first glance, to an observant person, the hypotheses would seem perfectly concordant. And as a natural skeptic,I always make sure to do my own research.
Every ten minutes while watching the movie, I would pause the movie and check out things that seemed uncertain. The stated points were all easily confirmed.
So before you can so easily denounce these overstated views, I'd suggest to always check the facts for yourself because we as typers of the web age are rarely hard up for every single possible view.
I love it.
I love reading these reviews that use name calling and accusations of radical conspiracy groups as basis for the argument, it supports the film even more.
Like the other reviews I have read that question its validity, this one, again, summarizes by saying nothing at all.
I've yet to see a review that can hold its ground against the movie's claims as it is hard to argue against logic.
If you can't see how the three parts tie together, maybe it's because the pathetic education system never asked you to critically analyze anything but merely to regurgitate what you've heard.
Reform your brain or remain sheep.
The Rockefeller quote was from Alex Jone's interview with Aaron Russo - R.I.P.
There are literally hundreds of statements in the first portion of the movie that contradict everything I have read about ancient mythology and world religions. There are also a great many statements that seem absolutely correct, and many more on which I am not qualified to have an opinion.
I can't really trust any of the claims made in this movie, since it makes so many false statements in part one. I'm no fan of Christianity, by the way. It does raise a lot of legitimate questions, however, and it makes me want to know more.
The Rockefeller quotations are just that - not tape recordings or documents written in his hand. It is intriguing, but it's what the law calls hearsay as far as evidentiary value goes.
a wise man once told me believe nothing that you hear and only half of what you see... put this to he test regarding zeitgeist and the matters at hand in the world today and you shall have your answers
It seems we are all so concerned with being on one side of the spectrum, we forget that in this type of "debate," the gray area may just be a better place for us to be. When I say gray area, I am referring to not being subscribed to the truth or lack thereof (in ZeitGeist), but continuously researching and cross referencing facts and fiction against each other. For the love, that is why the internet was created! Both consequently and coincidentally, here most of us are, utilizing the very same communication medium, quickly jumping to conclusions. Why be so hard up to own a belief? Belief is not something that can be won, for it will always be. I agree partially with the posts on this page stating that Zeitgeist was eye opening. Since I am not qualified to state any further opinion, I won't.
Some people utilize media in order to be blinded (whether they are aware or not). I just hope that the masses who watch Zeitgeist will use it to create the hunger for education, clarity, and motivation to do MUCH FURTHER RESEARCH. Reality is real, and it won't hide forever. Unless of course we just continue to blind ourselves by believing what makes us feel better.
Peace and Love,
jb
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Good review by Jay though he tiptoed through his reivew. Quite a light-weight review of such a heavy-weight material. And I can suspect the zeitgeist is not easy to review with seriousness. Why?
Simply because the facts outweight the supposed weak evidence.
All in all zeitgeist is dead right but just that people are already benumbed by the “conclusions that are givens”; and that does not any more make zeitgeist a worthless effort at all. The weak links in the movie are nothing sort of weak in content; just because the major portions of the movie are so meaty and robust, to say there are weak links is just a customary comparison which does not at all affect Jay’s review, …. So the zeitgeist hit the nail on the head about the people behind the curtain….
The “hodge-podge” list of sources are not there for a lame excuse that no pages are cited and thus useless for verification. The zeitgeist is the truth of what has been “bombarded” into our eyeballs for years. It is the white alter-ego of the dark Hollywood that has been bombarding the same gestalt into our grey matter. But that does not make the zeitgeist another Hollywood, by Gollywood!
CONGRATULATIONS to the makers of Zeitgeist. The people must start to get mad at the Administration. You can fool some people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people some of the time and even harder to fool all the people all the time…..
Cheers!!!
I must say I am very sceptical of anything that comes from the internet. There is no way for me as a person watching to find this person and ask them questions. Becuase of this I have a few questions for those who choose to read this.
Why does the film thing that our school systmes are so bad? Our physics test scores are low, this may be true but why do we have so many foreign students come and study here. How many foreigners have come to America to get education in the physics field? Why would the world be doing this if our schools are so bad?
Also, I understand that the Fed. controlls the money supply through differnt means such as; issuing currency (which is the main thing I heard about), setting reserve requirements, lending money to banks, setting interest rates etc., but how does this connect Bush if the government has no control over the Fed.? Am I to believe that Bush is a puppet of the "Elietes" that control the banks? President after president that has been at war have always been a product from the banks? If so then why do they keep getting elected? HOW do they keep getting elected? Are we not free to vote for whom we want to? Are we as Americans not free to stand up and do something?
Ive got an idea. There is an election in about a year. How about Americans finally get off their lazy butts and vote? If you dont like the government you have, you have the power to change it, even if you think you dont.
Thanks, Mr. Kinney.
Wake up America. I saw "Network" in its release year. It's the most important message of this Internet phenom. Our forefathers faught their tyrant after revolution was decided to be the solution while sharing their ales at the local tavern, far from where our societal ideas are developed today. Even then the most wealthy were paid the most attention to. We have a different opportunity. We are now all connected.
Together let's consider:
Last real person to serve as President?
Probably Abraham Lincoln. Not JFK. Result: Complete Federal turmoil ending with his assination.
Spanish-American War?
Remember the Maine.
Dynamic Democracy?
Voter turn out in the 35-40% range, on a good day with "religious issues at risk".
Constitutional de-construction?
Why we give away our privacy rights willingly by playing "Dick Tracy" daily.
Skull and Crossbones Secret Society?
The Yale "elite" fraternal society has had as members: All male members of the Bush family and chew on this one, John F. Kerry.
I have to stop, but keep thinking America.
The review given for this film was a bit weak. I personally thought the movie can be taken either way. Part one of the movie is interesting and raises questions, but who is to say that God doesnt exist or that the evidence presented agasint christianity is just a coincidence or a manipulation? We have to remember that, anything that has been found through history, whether written in stone or drawn on a rock, can be manipulated or misunderstood. Also, I find it irrational to believe that evidence done scientifically, such as carbon dating, can give an exact explanation for anything. I say this because science is based on theory and theory alone. Furthermore, the film mentions that the dates can be traced because our calendars were used and compared with the egyptian. Many historians argue that the egyptian made numurous mistakes in their calenders, thus, is why we are in the 21st century and not on the 20th like we are suppose too. Part two of the movie is easy to understand. September 11 is still in question and with good reason. Part three, i thought, was blown out of proportion. I dont believe that religion, christianity in this country, is being used by the elite to control our minds and the future. I find that a bit ignorant, only because the "elite" have the means to do it already, so I ask myself, whats the point for the elite to wait to take over in 20 years when you can do it today. I agree with the movie that Mr George Bush has crated difficult times, but I there isnt evidence to suggest that he is using religion to control us. Other than that, this is movie should be taken as nothing more, but a propaganda piece!
Instead of spouting out how the movie made you feel, why don't you attempt to tackle some of the movies' accusations? Too controversial to attach your name to it. Afraid of losing your credentials? Fearful of attacks from the church? (Pat Robertson - "Perhaps Chavez should be assassinated"). Yep, Silverstein just happened to to be at the right place with his paltry millions investment to score the 8 billion insurance (asbestos) windfall. I guess refering to the NYFD as "it" when he said "pull it", works for some people. Come on already, take the shoe out of your mouth and own up to the fact that you're a greedy SOB. A few thousand lives, or "collateral damage" as Rumsfeld likes to say, is a small price to pay for your American dream. Having no conscience helps. Chaney just happened to be in control of NORAD that day, practicing for the "possiblity" of attacks on the WTC!!!!!! Bush was conveniently visiting a grade school in Florida(home of the fixed election). Prescott Bush helped to funds the Nazi war machine, George Bush Sr. had ties to Osama Bin Laden in Texas, was involved in the CIA coverup of JFK assassination. (Oh, the CIA took out many leaders during the 60's - because they threatened the status quo - ie. war machine in Vietnam, oil profits, Kennedy's promise to dismantel the CIA, Martin Luther Kings destabilization of the racist class system, Bobby Kennedy's attacks against organized crime) Ask yourself these questions, Why won't they release the JFK files to the public? Why won't they release the videos of the Pentagon missile - I mean airplane collision? The only reason that justifies this behaviour is secrecy. They are protecting there own. These aren't even puzzle pieces anymore - wake up clones!
Hi Jay,
I've been a fan of yours since the early 70's, when I started my underground comic collection. I think you even set me off on a long search for Lenny of Laredo which ended well, I might add.
You've always struck me as someone who meant what they said. Alas, you appear to have phoned this one in. While I'm the last person on the planet to believe propaganda from either side of the spectrum, especially conspiracy types, this one rang a bell.
I really hope you apply a higher caliber of research to such matters going forward, similar to that you brought to Hidden Wisdom. I'd expect you'd find yourself a little more disturbed, more curious, and hopefully more motivated to delve deeper.
The film is coherent, thoughtful and well-researched, given that I was able to Google source check a lot of facts along the way.
Anyway, thanks for the years of pleasure, Jay, and I wish you all good things....
S.
The movie deserves 4 stars because it is a good idea for a documentary. On the other hand, most of the facts in this movie are manipulated. For example, part one tries to downplay religion and how every god from different parts of the world share the same attributes as jesus, horus, etc. The movie claimed that Krishna was born on December 25, but upon research I find thta many historical records aknowledge her birth on July 21st. So I ask myself, why would this movie tell a lie? The answer is clear, they are using this movie for propaganda purposes. It is in a liberals point of view and are trying to blame republicans whcih use religion in their beliefs that they are using religion agasint us. Now I agree that the US government is not the most honest institution or that president Bush might be hiding a secret about 9-11, but thats as far as this movie goes as it pertains to truth. This movie gave some great qoutes to back up the evidence agsaint its subject, but how is it that they dont use the qoute from one of our founding fathers towards his view on taxes..."nothing is certain but death and taxes". They had a piece sayin that their is no law for the american people to submit the annual income tax and pay taxes. Here is evidence to refute the claim. According to the US constitution, congrees makes the laws, thus, it is not a law until approved by the president. However, the president can issue an executive order which has the effect of a law until challenged sucesfully, therefore, the president can propose income taxes. SO there you go people, im no idiot, I graduated with a B.A in politics and im currently working toward my masters. That just one of many truths i found that can refute and demolish the purpose of this film. Once again, the movie gets 4 stars, but gets 1 star out 5 for truth.
#15, you clearly do not have an understanding of carbon dating to dismiss it. Explain to me what a half-life is and why it is not a good way of dating the age of the earth. Leave your Christian bias out of the argument. Seek truth objectively, rather than subjectively.
#19, I tend to agree with number #15. He doesnt seem that he is christian bias, he seems more objective than you are because he seems to be reporting a point of view that is openminded. # 19 how can you say that carbon dating expalins everyhting about life on earth when it is considered a theory. It sound to me youve never taken a science class because everything involving science is a theory or a hypothesis. A theory is not a fact or truth. Its just an estimate. You seem to have taken this movie a bit to seriously. If you truly believe that the governemnt is trying to control us buy giving us entatainment such as t.v. ipods, video games, etc then you are a fool. I only say this because we make the decision if we want to be entertain or focus on school. And that is a fact.
You know, it has been over a month since I wrote this piece, and rereading it now I still stand by it. Sure, the tone was a bit flip, but hey, I'm a cartoonist, that's the way my mind works.
To me, the key paragraph in my mini-review was this:
For those who can read (apparently a minority among those sending or posting hatemail and indignant screeds), this says that I am not dismissing the myriad questions raised by the "official" 9/11 version of events. I agree that there are plenty of odd and downright suspicious aspects to what went down that day. However, I don't think that Zeitgeist did 9/11 research any favors by linking, by proximity, the 9/11 issues to unrelated matters such as Christian origins or the legitimacy of the income tax. Those may warrant their own investigations (and I encourage everyone to dig beneath the surface in every such area), but I thought it distracting and counter-productive to pile it all in together in one film.
I've been engaged in conspiracy research of one sort or another for over 30 years, and I would agree that there are plenty of conspiracies at work in the world at any given time. (See my other BoingBoing essay The Conspiracy Boom for a discussion of this.)
But the mere fact that conspiracies exist doesn't oblige me or anyone else to uncritically consume Zeitgeist's take on them, or anyone else's version, either. Take them into consideration, sure, and weigh the evidence presented from different sources. Then form your own opinion. If Zeitgeist "opened your eyes" to the possibility that all is not as it seems, fine. But I wouldn't advise taking Zeitgeist's presentation of quotes and perspectives as the final word.
In the end, I think that Zeitgeist is a powerful, but seriously flawed and muddled film. As the old online cliche goes, YMMV.
Well said, Jay. I agree wholeheartedly. There are some very interesting points made in the movie. However piling these three conspiracy topics together into one post is not in my opinion the way to go. There is too much ground to cover in any one of these topics. Having done my own conspiracy research, I know that there is a lot of convincing material left out of all of these topics and each could have stood on it's own merit, without questionable sources. Ultimately the film does a disservice to itself. The religious consipiracy portion is not balanced enough and does not take all aspects into consideration, and draws false conclusions at the end of part 1. This immediately put the rest of the movie on shaky ground for me. However to the filmmaker's credit. There was some new and intersting material in the 9/11 part, however interestingly, much was not covered. Similarly, in the world banker's/Big brother part, there was some interesting information, yet much was left out.
If the filmmaker really needed to tie these things together, he could have. But the doco would have had to of been a series of two hour films instead of a single half-made attempt.
Much of the movies seems to be regurgitated Alex Jones stuff. And Alex as many people know, is not a very reliable source. Sonmeone who believes everything, is someone who will tell you anything with 100% conviction, whether or not it's true.
@all. The hook-line-sinker approach to this stuff is not what the filmmaker wanted. The point of the movie is to question everything. Including thier conclusions. I highly recommend each of you do your own research. Also, the point of Jay's critique was not to question the film's conclusions, only to critique the job that the filmmaker did with putting it together.
The fact that they could have done a much better job is undeniable.
Just a few points of discussion that are debatable.
The film states that Christianity is false, and names other religions which have the exact same model (almost). This is actually a modified version of a CHRISTIAN based conspiracy theory! How many here knew that!!!! That's right. Christians are the ones who originally presented this research in order to cast doubt on OTHER BRANDS OF CHRISTIANITY. Namely Catholicism. What the filmmaker forgets to mention, is that those other religions are all complete with confessionals, transmutation, and other odd aspects that are spookily similar to the ROMAN CATHOLIC version of christianity. Who institutued the celebration of christmas on the day it is celebrated? NOT CHRISTIANS. It is a result of RC evangelism. So, this is the type of thing that the movie fails to mention. That some denominations of christiantiy use this very SAME evidence to say that their religion has been perverted by the RC church. It eventually draws the conclusion that christianity is a false religion. "the opiate of the masses" if you will.
However, in Part 3 it talks about the world bankers setting up a one world govt. In which people will be chipped for control purposes. This is yet another CHRISTIAN conspiracy theory originating from the book of revelation.
Read Hal Lindsay's "The late great planet earth" in which he basically goes over the EXACT same material as evidence of the coming of the antichrist, and one world govt.
All of this info is conveniently left out.
"Wake up" is a gnostic term. A phrase they used to use to evangelize. Indeed. Wake up. Question everything. Use critical thinking in all things.
Go back and watch the movie again, and again, if you have to, but draw YOUR OWN conclusions from it, after doing YOUR OWN research.
Regards,
Rich
The whole point of this movie is for you to DO YOUR HOMEWORK and through that you will learn THE TRUTH.
So many people expect to be SPOON FED the information that OF COURSE YOU CAN EASILY BE LIED TO when you don't do your own homework.
Too busy and too tired to do it? THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN DESIGNED THAT WAY.
No surprises why we are all going to hell in a hand basket.
Those who do not MAKE THE EFFORT to FIND THE TRUTH deserve to be enslaved. There are so many others in the world who would WANT to do the homework but CANNOT. So don't squander your opportunity to do so.
#15,
The movie in the end makes it clear that this "elite" does not take over the world now because it doesn't want to impose their will on people, they are waiting for people to demand their total control (national security, the microchips, etc.) in order to be safe from supposed threats.
I am not even American but I saw the movie and I agree that, at least, it is an eye-opener. It should, to say the least, encourage everyone who sees it to start thinking differently and question everything they are told. I am not saying that a Christian should quit his/her religion after seeing the movie, but just take a more critical approach on life and the information we are given in general.
Also, as a non-American, from the outside I think it would be rather hard to swallow and accept the possible fact that 911 was an inside job. It would hurt too much and I understand that, but there are several questions in this and other documentaries that remain unanswered convincingly, and basically I agree with #16's last point: if the Bush administration doesn't have anything to hide, why that behavior? Why do not make everything related to 911 public?
I am all for it - yes a lil cheesey with the graphics but c'mon all this movie was doing is try to motivate you to question "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING On HERE?"... open a goddamn book once in awhile, read the paper, watch the news, browse the internet... instead for graphics, moviestars or porn (lol) look up constitution or politics or government conspiracys...
- NORTH AMERICAN UNION
- ZEITGEIST
- RON PAUL 2008...
Dismissing all science simply because it is theory based is a horrible mistake because everything is theory based before it is proved. It is only estimated that we will live to the average age of 75 or so but anyone of us can go well before that.
Theories are used because they are the best estimate we have closest to fact.
We better take care, any more of these movies and "a terror-attack on the internet" is awaitring us ;-)
Even for people who like the movie, don't you think there should be sources cited? It went on and on and on and I sort of started feeling embarassed. The movie is really childish.
What is hard to believe is that so many people voted for Bush, not once, but twice. They were and still are, caught up in an illusion. Remember? Weapons of mass what ? where ? who ? ... its ok Mr. President. You can keep lying to us. We don't care. In fact. we will vote for you again and again, even if my kid dies for you and your profit mongering neo-cons, so they can go live in Dubai and make millions, and billions of dollars off our children's blood. It's ok you can take away all my rights in the end, and I will still vote for you.
That is pretty sick stuff.
How many people have seen the film and do not question Building 7 ? How can you sit there and think it is ok to demolish a building just a couple of blocks away from the trade centers, in same style as the trade centers demolition, without a plane hittting it and not question that!
You do not need citations and bibliographies and rough drafts. Its right in front of your eyes but you can not see it because some of us are a product of the lies. Some of us cannot handle the truth.
Nah, it's ok you can still keep your percentage of my hard earned money every year, even if there is not a law requiring me to pay. I will just give it to you because I know you will protect me and my family from terrorists. Its ok.
Do we really need to THINK about it? or should we know that when people FEEL what is right they do not need subscriptions to Time magazine or National Geographic to tell them the truth. The truth is perceived through actions and not so much words. To make a Christian example. Even if one didn't know what Jesus Christ said in his lifetime. His actions should be enough to persuade you to believe in Him. And if one is a Christian. How can one believe in Christ and Bush? They are at opposite points in the universe. One is for love and sharing. The other is for death and stealing. Do you see a problem here?
The reason the war is still going on is so many people are disillusioned ( weapons of mass destruction, etc.), some people are lazy and do not seek out there own information ( they let mainsteam media dicate their lives), and there are the really ignorant people who don't like change, so instead of trying to see in a new way, they grow complacent and decide they are too old to change, or they just cannot beleive their own President would lie to them for the sake of money and power.
But this is exactly what he is doing.
It's a hell of lot more easier to believe the lies then to find the truth.
But it's all o.k. ... right ?
Thankfully Kinney has offered a sober and fair review of this doc.
Commanding stuff and initially a well auditioned, laid back, magnetic voice convincing us that everything is so matter of fact and black and white. I concur with Jay 100%. Unless one is prepared to go into 5 years deep research to confirm or tear apart the endless scepticism (English spelling) presented in Zeitgeist, what else can you say about it? If you read the Melanie Phillips book ‘Londonistan’, you might come to the other conclusion. Whether you like Fox News or not, most must surely agree that if you take away the Stars and Stripes rah rah, nearly all the presenters on the channel wince or cringe; smile and comment about news items just as most of us probably do in our own environments. Of course, the conspiracy that Fox only report on selected elements will always be touted, but as a news channel addict based in the Middle East where we get them all, plus vehemently anti the obvious media agenda; Fox’s content surprisingly covers much more than the other so-called left leaning, sickly, ‘politically correct’ main-stream media. The point being; Zeitgeist really does show a serious issue the author must have against Murdock owned Fox, as irrelevant clips from the channel tends to dominate all contrary elements, whereby snips from other media is all pro. All a bit too biased, which disappoints a little, as most of us will unfailingly want to believe this documentary/film/propaganda epic or whatever it is?
Well the way I see it, we have 2 trains of thought:
We can wait and see if some of the things that Zeitgeist mentions will actually happen -
(US invading Iran and Venezuela, secret meetings of the Amero) and then get concerned
Or
We can be pissed off now and say no to the Amero and don't join the army when asked to go to "war".
In my opinion, Zeitgeist did exactly what it was meant to do: spark discussion. It employs the same type of propaganda used by anyone/anything else, deceiving and manipilating the audience into making "realizations." He gets the audience scared of a hostile and manipulative world through the same manipulation techniques that he claims are employed by the "elite." Oh the irony. Hopefully, however, people did not take the video at face value, but instead, decided to give the points mentioned in the video thought. Some facts are indeed accurate, but the creator's use of the facts to make assumptions is clearly tainted. He draws connections that had no business being drawn.
The creator's facts and ideas about the creation of religion come as no shock to me. I listened intently to the connections between modern religions and the Egyptian religion, and am very well aware that the Church had a chokehold on almost everything during the middle ages. However, I was forced to cringe at the tactical propaganda that had been inserted into the video. He villifies the Church and calls religion "untrue." But where did that come from? None of the facts that he peppers the video with are enough to claim any religion untrue. His “findings” in no way cover outlandish assumptions such as this.
Then, the author moves on to discuss the world of propaganda that we encounter today. Some of the facts were truly eye opening- I of course cross-checked the information- but these facts do not support his extremist theories. Logic and reasoning that are provided by his facts are butchered by his ideas about how they relate to the world. Yes, the 9-11 attacks do seem fishy, but I wouldn't necessarily attribute them to the bankers of the world. (as an aside: I really love how the movie talks about how governments villify others to get control; And then the movie moves on to talk about the "evil attributes" and actions of the elite (how different they are from us) that we should hate. Hypocrisy, anyone?) Yes, there are a lot of things that go on in government behind closed doors, and corruption is rampant whether or not we notice it, but the actual explanations for events may be entirely different than those we can conceive. The problem boils down to this: we will never know the actual truth-not in our lifetimes at least. Truth about secret corruption only ever seems to be revealed when the corrupt body is destroyed, (or maybe information just brings about the downfall of the corrupt body). Hopefully, some day, we will understand.
Because I am unaware of the author's intentions in his creation of this movie, I might assume that he was a radical maniac who wants to do battle with "the man." However, it is equally likely that the creator of this movie thought rationally about facts that he researched and wanted to make the biggest impact on the public possible. Maybe he wanted to trigger actual discussion (rather than the mindless drone of the repetition of facts). Maybe he wanted to push the world to research and understand of its own will. Maybe his ultimate goal was to inspire thought, and this is the only way he could do so. Or maybe, he simply wanted to manipulate an unsuspecting population into acting on beliefs that he knows to be invalid for his own personal and unrevealed reasons. Sadly, this is, among many things, an unknown that may stay hidden. All that we can do is take this video as we should grasp our world, ignoring intentions and propaganda, so that we can create opinions for ourselves.
I think this movie is silly and confused... then again that is my first knee jerk reaction. I am going to start researching now, though I think I will prove myself right. The weirdo who make this movie is Peter Jacque from what I have gathered. His interviews are on youtube...
Well, as a wise man once stated: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
I'll believe the the government blew up the WTC towers just as soon as someone can provide clear, definitive evidence to support the claim. Until then, I'll follow the path of probable logic.
Which, by the way is my next point: a response to POLARECLIPTEK in #29 concerning the collapse of WTC 7:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5#wtc7
Scroll down to the section about building 7. Now, I know its not as intriguing and exciting as the thought of a government-controlled purposeful demolition, but I'm hanging onto common sense until I have reason to believe otherwise.
First fact jesus was not born on dec 25 that is just when modern christians celebrate his birthday, not even an important holiday in early christianity. Second most historians will tell you that it is a false statement that horus was born of a virgin. Third has anyone ever heard of the gospel of pontious pilot, a lost gospel. These are just a few of the many problems I have with the begining of the movie which offers only one side of the story. Last but not least what happened to the passengers on flight 93.
I will say this about our mass media, this is the system that gives us wall to wall Brittny coverage about a so called horrible performance, (I still have not met anyone who bothered to watch the event in question live), Mike Vick and the Dog Doo Doo, and now back by popular demand O.J. Part Duex. It should be clear that we are fed what amounts to no more than tranquilizers.
If you believe that conspiracies don't exist, I state that all major events in the history of mandkind were conspiracies with the exception of natural disasters.
The review was a good one. Fair and balanced. I suggest that commenters take a minute to take in what Mr. Kinney has said and do some critical thinking. I think you'll find it a bit more difficult to lambaste him.
I'd be interested to know what Noam Chomskey makes of it - I'm sure he would have no problem separating fact from fiction.
I wouldn't get too excited about the fact that the church claims that Christ was born on December 25. I think it is pretty clear that we don't know when, exactly, He was born, but chose the Winter Solstice time to "gain more play" or something. And guess what, It doesn't even matter. As I read on another blog, some people have claimed that even the Ten Commandments were copied from Egyptian religious lore. Well, that is a true marvel, in that the Egyptians were polytheists (worshiped many gods) and therefore would have been incapable of advancing the first Commandment (to worship only the One True God). So much of the religious premise of this movie is based on entirely faulty and or lacking research. If you know Christianity the way I do, as I have ministered within its ranks for 20 + years now, you would know that the whole movement is far too complex to be united behind any one theme. There are too many flavors and varieties and the Liberals and Conservatives do not join together on too many endeavors. I believe the following to be true: "Jesus Christ is not a Religion, but a personal God who cared enough to come here in the flesh to be united with us in our weakness and sufferings." Therefore He probably cares little about religion but a lot about us all!
Why do you suppose that the author(s)/producer(s) of this provocative film didn't take credit for their work?
Its not an alternative conspiracy theory here. I just always read who is trying to influence my opinion to be aware of their backgrounds and points of view.
I suspect that the authors of this Zeitgeist Movie are probably people like David Icke who is cited in the sources and who is certifiable. Go onto his website and he pretty much covers it all and tries to wrap it up into one theory just as they do in this movie: www.davidicke.com
Lizard people and all.
This documentary was and is amazing, truely a wake up call, at the begining about the religion i didnt worry much about it, sure people take advantage of situations and somehow mix religions with their crap, am swedish , live in sweden and have nothing to do with the american people, but this movie is for everyone, the whole 9/11 thing i believed that , i do believe that the american government is behind it , it has been done before and i have done some research to confirm most of the history, i was chocked and angry about how little human life is worth these days,
Most of the politics on the documentary i knew already but never gave it too much thought, i always think its someone elses problem to deal with, but never again will i thin that, Am a student becoming an engineer and have taken my first steps into politics in hope of making the world a better place, am sorry to have to say this, but most of you will forget and live your lives as before, sure some of you will get angry for a few days others weeks, but you will all forget and and everything will be back to normal for most of you, thats just a sad truth, some things are just too great to handle.
i have so much more to say, but .....
Just thought I'd mention that although this reviews cites a unhelpful sources page on the movie website, there is, in addition to that one, an "interactive transcript" that has the full text transcript of the film, with links littered through it, offering sources for nearly every fact presented in the film. Well, only for the first part, but the page claims that such transcripts for parts two and three are forthcoming. I hope they're right.
Regarding #35 and Common Sense - Common sense should make us question the incredible coincidence that three very tall buildings managed to free fall onto their own footprint without demolition. I guess that proves the old saying, "The trouble with Common Sense is it ain't so common."
In General
I am not speculating on who is behind the collapse of these super-structures but common sense leads me to believe they should have fallen at some angle other than zero degrees to the vertical line of center. Not all of the steel would melt at the same moment, there would have been some resistance to a directly vertical descent.
The movie was stimulating from a conversational standpoint. It is propaganda. Thank goodness for the internet since the traditional media shows little originality in our current time. That being said, if the movie is on target then we should expect to see some financial crisis created by uncontrolled internet access. We will then all rush to have the Government provide us with secure and safe access to the internet through Government controlled IP providers.
Regarding Science
Science is basically observation of physical phenomena in a particular environment, formulating a theory about what drives the phenomena, then observing how accurate the theory predicts events in the same environment. We shouldn't dismiss science because it involves the formulation and use of theories. We should be focusing on the accuracy of the theory in predicting what will happen next.
Also, this review mentions specifically the quote from David Rockefeller featured late in the film, pertaining to the "march toward a world government," and implicitly disparages its inclusion in the film due to the unlikely nature of its authenticity. However, a simple Google search of the text of that quotation will display a number of links to other references of this quotation, supposedly spoken in an address to a organization called Bilderberg, in Baden-Baden, Germany. Though I don't have a primary source for this quote specifically, there is a quotation of a similar vein in Rockefeller's autobiography - "Memoirs" - pertaining to "conspiring with others around the world to build...one world" and stating that he "stand[s] guilty." (p. 405) An "an astounding confession of complicity in mass manipulation" indeed.
I don't know what's more ridicules; a disciple of Albert Pike doing a review on a film taking the proverbial out of Jesus Christ,
or folks that haven't figured out that Jesus Christ was born on September 11
This is a comment for part 3 of the movie.
I guess you cant take it to heart - the main effect I observed was analysis of historical evidence with quite a partisan point of view, which is craftily tied in with events we are currently experiencing and using the feeling of authenticity of the historical analysis to, by proxy, give credence to the future predictions and other claims that are made. Its just hard to know what to think of it. Is it an honest and thorough appraisal or is it just a very well done conspiracy hash up?
I felt a bit hypnotised by the monotone (processed?) voice and the slick editing, and you can never be sure of alllll those sources. It was strong though, for sure. Perhaps the plausibility is accentuated because the audience is already open to what it is trying to communicate. Just be discerning, and be sure to vote this time.
As far as the 9/11 "conspiracy"...
I have done plenty of research regarding 9/11, and while the collapse of the twin towers are highly disputed simply because jets crashed into them, there are several points which cannot be disputed in favor of the "Official Story", especially in regards to the collapse of WTC7.
1. WTC7 was never hit by a jet or anything for that matter. There are accounts from a several people who narrowly escaped WTC7 saying that there were pre-demolition detonations that obliterated the entire lobby as well as several lower floors of the building BEFORE either of the twin towers fell. Also, it was acknowledged that the authorities claim to have decided to "pull" building 7 because of "structural instabilities". How was this accomplished in a few hours time? What caused the so called instabilities?? Buildings are not equipped with a self-destruct button, it takes weeks if not months of planning to demolish a building of that size in such a textbook fashion and for that very reason I believe WTC7 truly is the smoking gun of the 9/11 conspiracy and we have yet to receive any "official" report as to why it collapsed.
2. Many explosions where heard, reported and even caught on video. People, including firemen and police, heard the explosions and immediately acknowledged them as explosive detonations, not simply gas lines bursting. Several videos from that day caught firemen and police stating that there were BOMBS in the buildings and that people needed to get out ASAP.
3. Thermite was clearly used in the demolitions, not supported by the "dust" from the buildings, but by the fact the just before the collapse of the building we can clearly see white hot molten metal dripping out of the building. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to do that. Secondly, in the aftermath, the clean up was severely hampered by the fact that all three buildings had been reduced to a pile of rubble covering a red hot "furnace" of molten metal. A simple collapse would not produce enough energy to melt that much metal that even weeks afterwards it was still too hot to be safely maneuvered by anyone without protective clothing. Also present in that molten metal was high levels of sulfur, which is added to thermite to make thermate or super-thermite which burns even hotter and is commonly used in demolitions for the purpose of cutting through the primary core structure of buildings in mere seconds.
No one can really dispute any of these three points without ignoring facts and evidence that was purposely ignored by the media and left out of the "official report".
Youtube is rich with video clips from the day of 9/11 and well put together arguments including the testimonies of people who were there in the middle of it and clearly understand that there was alot more going on that just two jets that crashed into the twin towers. In my opinion the jets were a simple distraction for the actual planned demolition of all three world trade building that fell that day.
Why would our government do such a thing.. money and power, the root of all evil and the great motivator of the corrupt elite throughout history, plain and simple... sad, but true.
I enthusiastically recommend watching ‘Zeitgeist Movie’. The film manifests a 'triumph of the will' in its sheer audacity of humor, provocative political theater, valuable skepticism of religious dogma, bold analysis of 9/11 mysteries, mind-challenging suspicions, and probably Libertarian perspective of the bankers who control the financial markets in the world.
I urge everyone to check out the essays at www.EarthManifesto.com for deeper, broader, more expansive and more comprehensive perspectives of these issues and a great many others --- a true Zeitgeist of understanding! It may help to gain greater insights than the compelling demagogic focus of the ‘Zeitgeist Movie’.
It seems to me important for each of us to act as judges of the evidence of 9/11, and not to merely deny all possibilities without even evaluating the evidence. Our freedom and democracy may depend on understanding the true nature of our current economic and socio/political circumstances. Give close consideration to the “Top 40 Reasons to Doubt the Official Story of September 11th, 2001”, which can be found at 911Truth.org. Listen to Richard Gage’s astounding Power Point presentation at the site “ae911truth.org”. Richard Gage, the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, provides a cumulatively astonishing analytical overview concerning the highly suspect official story of the 9/11 attacks. Or check out the documentary film, “9/11: Press for Truth” for startling facts about the timeline of terrorist threats that led up to the hijackings.
Dr. Twain www.EarthManifesto.com
Worst movie ever. Created by morons for morons. If you believe any of what's said in this film, than i'm sorry to inform you that you could quite possibly be an ignorant idiot.
Thank you.
Greetings,
I've published my own review of Zeitgeist that is viewable here:
http://www.realitysandwich.com/choose_your_illusion
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts,
-ST
I don't claim to have at my disposal anything that verifies a single fact in the movie. I also don't have at my demand anything to verify the mainstream point of view. Most ordinary people don't, and even if they try, they'll find themselves mired in a slew of references that are just as subject to bias and twisting of the facts as any propaganda. I know, because I've tried. Nothing you haven't seen, literally, with your own eyes can be believed, and even that needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
My beef is that whenever anyone points out supposedly erroneous information, they also fail to provide iron-clad sources for their "factual" information. I'm sick of things being debunked with statements like "this is preposterous." I'm supposed to nod my head and agree as long as the "that's preposterous" is coming from a mainstream source.
The point of the movie is to make it clear that we have given up our autonomy to a system over which we, as individuals, have very little (if any) control, yet we placate ourselves by pretending our little contributions make a difference in the over-all scheme of things. We comfort ourselves with gadgets and t.v. rather than educating ourselves and expanding our horizons. We believe we know what's really going on, but if you pick apart the sources of our information, you'll see that nothing those sources give us can be believed. Nothing. (Hence the "don't take this movie as the truth" statement.) Everything is biased. Everything has a spin.
You have to ask yourself what YOU believe. What is your gut feeling? Do you feel comfortable with the way things are going? Why or why not? Are you uneasy? What can you do about it?
You have to do your own searching. Movies like this serve to motivate people to look into it, to discuss it. Which is what we are doing here. It wants to put us out of our comfort zone.
Do I believe that there are a few "elite" who control most of what goes on in this country? Hell yes, I do believe that. Do I believe that human beings are walking around in a dream (or more likely a nightmare)? Yes. I don't believe that we are headed for anything that is in our best interest as individuals or as a society. But I have believed these things instinctively for a long time, and movies like Zeitgeist only prove to me that I'm not the only person out there asking "What the hell is going on??"
I appreciate the effect that Zeitgeist had on me, regardless of its accuracy. I'm glad to see so many free thinking people posting here. After watching the movie, I was inspired to create this:
http://innerlightdesign.com/yourvoice
It's a simple and powerful tool. Please make use of it and tell others about it.
After processing the effect that Zeitgeist had on me, I felt that it's important to create positively in the world and to make use of the channels we have available to us instead of just throwing our hands up and saying "I'm powerless to change this."
If you're still reading, I'll say this. I believe there is just as much inaccuracy and picture painting in the mainstream media as in Zeitgeist. Read "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky if you’d like a clear, factual account of how that works. The intention behind Zeitgeist was to wake people up. The intention of the mainstream media is to put them to sleep...
Peace.
Am I my brother’s keeper?
The movie shows how religion is natures way of saying "There are too many people" the world needs a global dictator that bans it, with the money saved in wars you could fix a lot of problems that help cause wars in the first place.
The other side of the finance coin (so to speak) is that if you have money then roll on good times, as most people are sheep by birth (the same ones that fight at football matches) they will never see it's a double edged sword..
Become a Shepherd open your eyes and see some truth in this film, especially the religious section, no doubt the God followers will be up in arms but that’s what they do.
Do you ever see an old suicide bomber? 72 Virgins I’d be there in a flash but what to use on them?
TG
i didn't read most of the comments because i'm in a rush right now, so probably someone else has already said this, but something doesn't jive here, just wanted to ask Jay about it, if he's reading.
Jay said in the review:
"...Late in the video, there’s a supposed quote from David Rockefeller, which, if genuine, would be an astounding confession of complicity in mass manipulation. But, of course, the quote is not sourced or dated, which renders it useless. (The video’s website does feature a Sources page, but a hodge-podge list of books, with no page numbers cited, is of little value for source verification.)..."
I just assumed this was correct as i continued reading the review. Then, at the end of the review, Jay gives a link to the Zeitgeist website to a quote by the Zeitgeist people saying, "don't take this movie as truth, find out for yourself," (to paraphrase), so i clicked on the link provided by Jay, expecting to find footnotes that refer to a hodgepodge of books with no pages given to allow verification of the quotations or facts claimed, so was surprised to find instead, a long list of sources, almost all with specific page numbers included. ???
what am i missing here? I haven't checked any of the sources by looking to see if they say what the Zeitgeist people say they say, but unless i'm misunderstanding what Jay means, certainly these citations provide an opportunity for source verification.
As for people who have overweening amounts of power in society, keeping track of what they do is inherently impossible, more than in bits and pieces; privacy is protected by law; surely common sense and looking at analogies to power dynamics in smaller settings, from the nuclear family to the playground to the office, on up, suggests that at the levels of mega power, there are people doing what they feel they need to do to get what they want to get, which they believe is for the best.
All anyone can say about 911 for the most part is speculation, the critics of the official story and debunkers of the critics, mostly speculating, by necessity. The people who know what happened, whatever it is, are those directly involved. There aren't that many people in positions to know what happened, as opposed to guessing, making educated informed guesses, whatever. Most of us, who aren't guessing, bring to our impressions and conclusions the zeitgeist, if you will, that we already have evolved in the course of our lives.
We can all make some pretty well reasoned and fact based guesses. Having the power to do anything about guesses and observations supporting the belief that 911 is something very different from what the government reported is the main problem.
Most people believe Kennedy was killed by more than one person and that it was covered up. And so what? What does this accomplish? It really doesn't matter a whole lot if people believe the Western/corporate elites or Anglo American elites perpetrated 911.
The ideal would be that people would be shown smoking guns and would be outraged, and there would be a change of leadership as a result, with better limits on unaccountable (to the public) private power.
however, to use the JFK assassination, or the Vietnam war, as examples, there have been smoking guns shown to people from the beginning. It didn't fundamentally change things.
sorry to make such a pessimistic comment, i still believe it's important to get the smoking guns out there in public view, and to create counter propaganda to provide people who know they don't know with different messages to think about and take into their zeitgeists--Talk about agitprop, the stuff on CNN leading up to the atrocities in Afghanistan and Iraq was pure unsourced and emotionally manipulative propaganda, typical of what media does when the class its owners are a part of are cultivating public support for a desired policy. The media build up to the first war of aggression in Iraq, "Desert Storm," was memorable in that way.
Certainly it's better for people to have lots of different zeitgeists competing for their beliefs, where one is not able by its power to drown out the others; remember the massive demonstrations all over the world in the lead up to the current take over of Iraq, and during the early stages of the atrocity? Millions. Millions objecting couldn't keep it from happening, heads of state in major and minor player countries around the world, couldn't stop it. The UN investigators saying "Iraq is cooperating," couldn't stop it, facts couldn't stop it, being shown to be absurd couldn't stop it; people come home from work and turn on CNN or Fox, what choice do they have, millions demonstrating is dramatic imagry, and then comes the commercial break and all the pro war propaganda that follows, all the luminary politicians of the two party system in interviews saying "I voted to give the president the power, we cannot allow Saddam [sic] to endanger our way of life," blah blah, it works, opinion polls shifted, majorities gave the president the go ahead.
and so it goes. the power is where the power is.
Forgive me, it's been a long demoralizing trip, yet there is always value in speaking out and trying to get through to people. I really appreciate it.
I'd just like to mention one thing Jay Kinney may have either disregarded or misunderstood, stating at the end of his review: The video’s producer does inform us that “It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth . . .”
Indeed.
When in fact, the message ends by saying: "It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized".
Clearly that is the whole point of this exercise (for the brain). Don't assume every piece of drivel thrown at you is gospel, whatever the source; look for yourself. In the end, and only when the truth is understood, you will realize (be enlightened) on your own.
This is a very thought provoking subject and a lot of good feedback was generated.
Just so everyone knows, this movie has a REAL creator and it isn't just some bull shit propaganda/conspiracy film. Because the film has only been released on the Internet, and little is known about the creator, it's east to criticize the film and it's content.
Well, that's changing...
I went to the world premiere of Zeitgesit at the Egyptian Theatre in Hollywood last Saturday, and Peter J. (Joesph) was there to answer questions about the film. From what he explained, he originally made the movie for himself, as a means to sort of organize his thoughts about all the research he had done about the nature of our political and religious structures. He did not make this movie on his own...he had the help of two authors (I'm sorry I do not recall their names); one is an expert on comparative religion (she helped with part 1 of the movie), and one is an expert on the Federal Reserve, taxes, and banking (he helped with part 3 of the movie). Both authors were on stage answering questions and were just as passionate about the movie as Peter J.
Peter was hesitant to even release the movie initially because he was scared people would be angry with him. His friends convinced him to put the film on the Internet, so he did. Since it's online release, a film organization called Artivist (they put on a film festival for activist documentaries which have allowed films like "Fast Food Nation" a chance to reach a large scale audience), found the movie, contacted Peter, and is now releasing the film in Portugal and England. The web site where Peter hosts the movie(www.zeitgeistmovie.com) gets 40k hits a day, and has been watched over 4 million times. Makes ya think that Zeitgesit might be more than just a "conspiracy movie" after all?
There was a lot of thought put into the creation of Zeitgeist, and this blog review of the film is close minded, and underestimates the intelligence of the people who made this movie happen. If you can't see the connection between the three sections of this film, then you obviously are not ready to search for real answers to life's questions. I can assure you, that there are hundreds of thousands of people who have watched this movie, and fully comprehend the connection between the three parts, and are thrilled to know there are other people out there who are questioning the nature of our system of living.
This movie is a proof that our collective minds are shifting. A revolution is happening, but it's not one brought about by guns and violence, but one brought about by knowledge and the power of human thought.
If you enjoyed this movie and it affected you in a positive way, then please pass it on to more people. Keep asking questions and keep searching for the truth, for it is our duty to discover what has been hidden from us for centuries...our true nature!
Much love!
Parker
P.S. How do you post a review for a movie that isn't even your own? If Jay had any integrity, he would have researched into the film and educated himself more on the topics at hand. Come on now Jay. You're a big boy. Didn't you ever write a research report in school? I think a film like this is worth taking a deeper look into...unless of course you think Jesus will get mad at you for asking questions. =)